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What do your elf eyes see? by Aiffe What do your elf eyes see? by Aiffe
So I wrote up a post on my theory that Thranduil may actually have been blind. There's quite a bit of things in canon that can be read that way. Check it out in the tumblr link!

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lizisheartbroken1 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2015
Dang. That theory just blow my mind. And now that I think about it... You're right! 
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Dogviolet Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2014
Man, your lineart is sublime! Wow!
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Elenna-Huntress Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
Ok, that is an amazing theory, and regardless of what happened in the book(s), that just became my movie-verse headcanon -- mostly because it *does* rather make sense of his incredible Other-ness (even for being an Elf, Thranduil is very Other and distanced from reality) and of the admittedly odd way he moves. And just because it's amazing to think of the story possibilities. :D
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5ilvara Featured By Owner Edited Jul 29, 2014
I... I didn't want to believe it, but the more you think about it, the more it makes sense. After all Celeborn doesn't behave that way, through is is himself both Sindarine and of royalty so I can't find any other reason for his strange behavior movie-verse...

Not only am I a bit tired of how every characters viewed as jerks end up hiding huge secrets making them secret victims in fan-works, but also, as a Moriquendi fan, I don't think that the Elvenking Thranduil will ever need that kind of background cheat to explain his actions, since thoses already made sense as far as I was concerned.
...Book-verse at least.

Darn. Now the weight of this Blind King theory is getting obvious and obviouser by the minute. X/

PS (to Aiffe) : You're a somewhat-annoying-definetly-amazing-clever-headcanon-breaker of a fan, you!

... Ah, lemme give you a hug~
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Chere-and-Rose Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
oh my gosh, this is super interesting and I'm glad you thought all this out.
Can't wait to see how close to home this theory is.
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jariinforever Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
My absolute favourite theory. Can I adopt it as a head canon?
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Aiffe Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013
You can and I'd be delighted if you did! :D
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jariinforever Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yay! 
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YawningWolf Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Holy crap. The next based on that pic is just.. wow. I never thought it that way, but I noticed that Thranduil acts wery strange. If he is really blind, a lot of things would make sense. But what would happen with him in the last movie when he is supposed to go into battle? I can't wait to know!
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Elaini-the-Mystic Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013
He is supposed to see the Arkenstone, however. And in the extended edition of AUJ he also sees the treasures ahead him, reaching for them for a moment.
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5ilvara Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2014
Maybe he can will his eyes into healing just enough for a limited span of time when he has enough energy...and just use his hearing or something a form of elvish thelepathy (osanwë-quenta?) to fight during battles. 
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I have seen the movies but that doesn't mean that I fully agree with them, since I consider the book lore as the true and only one. In the books he never had the injury, it's Jackson's add. His movies were more loyal to Lotr than the Hobbit.
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YawningWolf Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Yes, but it's still a nice thought. Maybe he just needs some glasses :XD:
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Aiffe Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013
*nod* He does act strangely, and when I realized it could be this I also had that moment of suddenly it making sense.

I added some edits to the post regarding the next movie, but I'm excited for it too! I certainly think he can fight while blind, if his bit with the orc is anything to go by.
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AlcinavomSteinsberg Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013
I'm not on tumblr, so I can't answer you there. Your theory is very interesting, but you have me wondering: where do you get from Thranduil and Thror being friends? And what do you mean about a glamour? I never read or heard anything in the Tolkienverse that might make that possible.
Still, I agree, Lee Pace's Thranduil can be interpreted very well in that way. Perhaps some fanfic author will take this under her or his wing, that would be awesome.
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Aiffe Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013
Well basically this is a movieverse theory. I love the books, but they're clearly different canons, so I don't worry about trying to reconcile it with the books. Though sometimes I cherry-pick the parts I like from both. Prerogative of being a fan. :)

The movie established that he'd been at least on peaceful terms with Thror and visited Erebor, and there's a lot of stuff in the 'verse in general about how elves and dwarves used to be closer, like the password to get into Moria being the Elvish word for "friend." It would also add a certain symmetry to Legolas and Gimli eventually becoming close friends. But I'm not claiming it was canon they were bros or anything. I just like the idea of Thranduil having had some affection towards him, it makes the whole thing more tragic.

The glamor bit is just a word used for illusions of the fae in folklore and a lot of fantasy canons. I can't recall it being explicitly used in the Tolkienverse, but we do see him either creating or dispelling an illusion in the movie--that's canon, no matter what word you use for it--and even in the books, there seemed to be a lot of magic involving illusion or concealment: runes that could only be read by moonlight, or doors only visible when you said the password or at a certain time of year, that kind of thing. I know some book fans are mad, but I don't think the idea of Thranduil concealing a scar deviates all that much from the worldbuilding set forth in Tolkien's canon, where magic concealed all sorts of things all the time.

And yes, there's already two lovely fics! One's added to the post, one I'm about to add and it may be there by the time you read this. Plus I'm working on one myself, though I've been struggling with writer's block.
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hallosse Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2013  Student General Artist
I've not seen the movie yet, but as a bit of a die-hard Tolkienite, I'd like to weigh in on the glamors discussion. Yes, in all three ages of Middle-Earth, there were numerous concealed and hidden things, such as the ithildin on the Doors of Moria, the Three Elven Rings on the hands of their Bearers, and probably most staggering, a sequence in the Silmarillion where about ten elves and a man sneak into the lair of Sauron -- a glorified Evil Minion, at this point, of Morgoth the First Enemy -- flawlessly disguised as orcs. Although Sauron eventually finds them out, an elf named Finrod manages to fool a ton of orcs, wargs, balrogs, etc.  So what's the problem with Thrandy hiding some facial scarring?  Well, pretty much consistently in the whole history of Middle-Earth, magic like this (although Tolkien never calls it 'magic') is exclusively done by the High Elves, who came over the Sea from the Undying Lands and the Valar. Thranduil is Sindarin, not Noldorin (High-Elven.)  So it's pretty much blatantly impossible for him to have this kind of ability, the like of which is only ever demonstrated once, by Finrod Felagund, one of the greatest Elves ever to live.  I'm not trying to start an argument here, but I thought you'd like to know. :)
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Aiffe Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2013
aha

ahahahaha

ok.

(You realize him having the ability to hide it WAS movie canon, though? As in, in the movies, it happened. This is not something you want to argue with me about. You're looking for Peter Jackson. I'm not him. I'm "a bit of a die-hard Tolkienite" myself, or at least I was about 15 years ago. But I take the movies at face value. They're their own canon. They don't diminish the books, the books are still there. Fans can cherry-pick things between the two if they like, but ultimately, book canon is not set in stone when dealing with the movieverse. And you know what? Book canon shouldn't be set in stone when dealing with the books, either. That just leads to a lot of elitism and inter-fan bullying and absolutely no fun, because no one can come up with anything, only slavishly worship what Tolkien himself put down. So. The glamoring happened. Elves--some elves, never mind which elves, since it's not like Tolkien rose from the grave and said Sindarin elves can't glamor shit--can make illusions. And. It happened. I don't think it's productive that no one can even play in the movieverse without getting dogpiled by hardcore book fans, simply for using a different official canon. It's making me resent book fans, and I AM a book fan, first and foremost. I can take it, but it's seriously making me wince for new fans.)
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hallosse Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2013  Student General Artist
*blinks* So basically, I can't explain why PJ was all wet because I'm a book nerd? I was trying to say that Thrandi being able to to lots of magic doesn't really fit with the wider cannon surrounding him. I wasn't trying to say that there being a difference between the Thrandies was somehow your fault. I don't really get your answer. I think you're responding to things I didn't say.
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RovinaCai Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Brilliant theory! My favourite thing about it is that it explains why movie-Legolas keeps stating the obvious all the time hahaha :) 
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TroyandFriends Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh, I see... Jesus Man, what the heck PJ?!!!!
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dobergirl102 Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2013
So creepy yet beautiful. I have to check out that post.
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dobergirl102 Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2013
Very nice theory. I also got the impression that Thranduil only gave us a glimpse of what was under his glamor, and you did an excellent job of making it plausible. I also loved your explanation for Legolas' mannerisms. Somebody should definitely write a fanfic for this.
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Aiffe Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2013
:D Thanks! There might be fic at some point, someone sent me an ask on Tumblr saying they were writing one, and I might try my hand at it myself. I really want anyone who likes the idea to have as much fun with it as possible, so it's free for anyone to use.
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MorellAgrysis Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist

I thing I will use it once or twice. (but you'll need translator to read it...)


Seriously I'm not sure that he is completly blind. remember the extended scene from Erebor? doesn't seem blind at all.

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Aiffe Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013
I added a bunch of edits to the post possibly clarifying questions people had about the theory. I don't think it's canon, but I think it's plausible in canon!

And that's wonderful, I hope you have a lot of fun with it. I'd still be curious to see it, maybe I can find someone to translate it for me if that's all right. :)
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MorellAgrysis Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist

I tried it in english for once, I hope it isn't so dump...

morellagrysis.deviantart.com/a…

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Aiffe Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013
Oooh that is fantastic of you to write it in English! It's such a sweet scene. If you like I could give it a beta for you? :D
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MorellAgrysis Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Go ahead.
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dobergirl102 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013
Some people who are legally blind still have light perception, so he could have seen the shine of the jewels. Just saying.
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MorellAgrysis Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Maybe, but as I thought of it (all day to be honest), i'm not sure anymore, he could be blind after all completly. Blind ones has geat hearing. I know one blinded and you hear nothing of yourself, but they still hear you clearly, felels your smell... they have very strong sences.
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